Even the acronym for the song itself was deep.
Oh yeah, Pharrell’s dope for that. He’s got the acronym of the year for that. And he got the acronym from our conversation. I told him the real conversation and he called me back two weeks later. I had a conversation with someone I was close to and they were, basically, telling me this is the last time we would ever speak again. And he was saying that because he was gunna turn over.
I got off the phone [with him] and I had to call Pharrell, somebody who knows us both, you know what I’m saying? He knows who I’m talking about, he knows everything. He just confirmed it for me because I was like ‘is this what I’m hearing?’ and he was like “yeah, for sure.” He was like, “man, that’s a good song” and I was like ‘nah, that’s a terrible song. I don’t wanna do that song.’
So would you say that makes it the most heartfelt song on the album?
I mean all of them are, but I feel like that and 40 Acres, umm...(pauses to think) Hold On, like it’s a lot of heartfelt records up there man. Those bars come from something, all of them do. I find pain in a lot of those lyrics, even in Pain. You know?