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Jhene Aiko Talks ‘Souled Out,’ Love & Being Vulnerable

If you are still searching for the reason you have fallen in love with Jhene Aiko, the adjective in the haystack is "honest." Refreshingly offering all of herself on each emotional opus, it is the petite singer’s transparency that is transforming our VIBE cover star into a budding powerhouse. Now, her willingness to exposure has taken shape on her debut LP Souled Out, where she zeroes in on herself more than ever. -- Iyana Robertson

VIBE: Souled Out is finally is here. Does it feel like a weight’s been lifted?
Kind of. I feel like the work is never done. I’m ready to start the next one. I’m just excited that people can finally hear it.

The album had its pushbacks and it got delayed a few times, but everything happens for a reason. So were there some benefits to the extra time?
I think time is always good, just so that you can really make sure to take your time with each song. I don’t know though, because sometimes I like to take maybe too much time [laughs] with each song to make sure that it’s right. ‘Cause it’s like you’ll always want it to be better, you know? But I do think that everything does happen for a reason, so though the release changed, for the big picture it was for a reason.

Your music is the picture of bluntness and vulnerability; you just are what you are and that’s that. Is it ever hard to go as far as you go? Do you ever shock yourself with what you end up writing or saying?
Nowadays, no [laughs]. I just sort of let it flow. I try to stay away from saying anything about anyone personally that they wouldn’t want other people to know. I just keep it based on me and my feelings, and as long as no one else is involved - like me telling someone else’s secret - that’s where I draw the line. I just like to keep it honest so it’s what I’m going through. As honest as possible.

Is that ever hard, to share your vulnerabilities with everyone? Or is it just the way you deal?
Not yet. It’s just been the way that I’m dealing with whatever it is, you know? It’s almost like therapy. So the first step is acceptance and really understanding what you’re going through. I don’t know, it’s always worked out because the more honest you are, then the more people you have coming up to you telling you that they relate. And I think they relate so much because it is just so honest and... relatable [laughs].

I’ve heard a lot of people try to describe why they’re feeling you, and they can’t. They’ll say ‘Is it her voice? Is it her vibe? I don’t know, but it’s something.’ And I think that what it is: you’re honest.
I think it’s just being a regular person, and not being afraid to be regular. Not trying to seem perfect or portray someone that thinks they have it all together. And I think that’s what a lot of celebrities do, period. I don’t consider myself that, I just consider myself someone who’s sharing my story, and that’s what I am. I don’t see it as I’m this person that’s different from anyone else. So I think people pick up on that and that’s why they gravitate towards it.

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Yeah, that's definitely what it is. So, the EP Sail Out was sort of an appetizer for Souled Out. Describe that transition.
So Sail Out was what I think people were used to. Some people were just finding out about me through the Big Sean song, or the Drake song, and I feel like it was easy to digest because it was feature-heavy and hip-hop influenced; stuff you wouldn’t mind hearing on the radio. And the album, Souled Out, is a little more of the main course. It’s like really digging into who I am and what I’m all about, and giving you a hint of what I can do and where I can go. I feel like each project is just going to be transitioning to the next, and just show evolution. It’ll always be progressive.

Love in all of its forms, from your family to men, is a common theme for you. What would you say Souled Out says about love?
I would say that Souled Out says that love is everything. Love is pain. Love is happiness. love is acceptance. Love is just the strongest energy in the world, in the universe. Every song on Souled Out is really based on love. It starts off with relationship, then family and just life, all these different things. And I just think it’s because love is the universal energy that creates everything. It creates life. It creates death. Yeah, I think that answered the question maybe [laughs].

For most artists, their art sort of imitates their life in some way. How does Souled Out reflect you?
I think Souled Out is a direct reflection. Like, these are the relationships I’ve been through and the things that I’ve been through in life period. They are all true - true feeling and true stories - so it’s literally a direct reflection.

If you had to sell someone on the album with one song, which one would you choose and why?
Hmm, that's a good one. I would make them listen to “W.A.Y.S.” I would say it’s a good introductory song into sort of my beliefs, and a little bit of what I’ve been through. And not only that, but the music is amazing to me. Though it is a thought-provoking song, the beat is something you could ride along to in your car, or if you into bass and hearing things loud. It’s like one of those songs you can bump. Even though I’m talking about really serious stuff, the music adds another element to it. I think it’s just a well-rounded song altogether.

“Promises” is the softest spot on the album, the most tender song. And you have your daughter on the song as well. Before you guys recorded it, did you talk to her at all about what the song was about?
Every so often we have conversations like that, but before we did this song, no. She’s always with me in the car when I’m writing and when I’m singing along to instrumentals. And she pretty much knew the song before we went and recorded it, which is why I thought it would be a good idea for her to sing it with me.

And what was your reaction to the final version of the song?
It was a song that I was working on for a while because musically, they were changing and adding things a lot of the time. And then I would go in and re-sing a few parts. So yeah, when I heard it all together, they added beautiful instruments in the background. It really took the song to another place and really painted the picture with the music. So I was really pleased with how it turned out, because I just wanted to tell that story and get those feelings out. But then when I heard where No I.D. took it with the music, it was super crazy.

Tell me about the two exclusive tracks on the deluxe edition at Target: “You vs. Them” and “Beautiful Ruin.”
“You vs. Them” is a song off of Sailing Souls, my first mixtape in 2011. And it’s just a fan favorite; everyone is always asking me to perform it at shows and they’re always quoting the lyrics from it. So out of all the songs from the mixtape, I thought it would be a good one to reintroduce to people that maybe haven’t heard the mixtape. And it’s an acoustic version, so it’s just me an a guitar. Then “Beautiful Ruin” is a song that I initially put out on YouTube. Pretty much when I was writing the song, me and Steve Wyreman, who is on a lot of the tracks from Souled Out - he’s playing live guitar on several songs - anyway me and him went into the studio and I was like ‘I have this idea for a song.’ And he just played while I was singing. I already had a melody and he’s amazing so he just followed along. We recorded it on Photobooth and I put it on YouTube and people loved it. So we went ahead and really recorded it. No I.D. built around the guitar and added to the track. That is one of my favorite songs.

Cool, so it’s almost like Jhene prerequisite [laughs]. Why did you choose to use two older songs instead of recording new ones?
I feel like, especially with “You vs. Them,” there’s so many people that had just heard of me from “The Worst,” and they don’t really know the songs from the mixtape. “You vs. Them” is one of my favorite songs as well, so I felt like it needed to be heard by more people. Also, I’ll always be recording new songs, so those will just go on the next album [laughs].

You keep the features very minimal, and artists do that when they want the album to really be them. But if people had to predict who would’ve made the cut, they’d probably say Drake or Kendrick. How’s Common end up on it? Was it around the time you two did “Blak Majik”?
It was. That was the last song that I did for the album. It was track that No I.D. gave me that I knew I wanted to use, but it was hard for me to write to. So I just went in and freestyled in one take, and it ended up being a lot of our’s favorites. No I.D. really loved it and my manager really loved it, so everybody was like ‘Yeah.’ So [No I.D.] called me and was like ‘What do you think about a feature,’ and it was just like ‘It’s done, what do you mean a feature?’ But when he said that I was like ‘You’re right, that would be pretty cool. What about Common?’ Literally, his name was just the first that popped in my mind, just because in working with him on “Blak Majik” and we did a song called “Fly Ass Pisces,” it just seemed like he really understood the message of the album and what I’m trying to do as artist. So I think that he got it more than any of the other people that I’ve ever collaborated with got it.

Nice. So if you envision the first time someone listens to Souled Out and they could be anywhere in the world, doing any one thing, how would you envision it? Where are they? What are they doing? What’s the perfect scene?
Okay, let me think of this and make it good [laughs]. They got the CD, the actual physical CD. They still have a CD player in their car, and they’re feeling very contemplative. So they put it on and they take a random drive. They’re driving around thinking about life and figuring things out for themselves, and relating to every word that I’m saying. It’s not a sad moment, but it’s a reflective moment where they’re finding out a lot about how they feel. That’s what I would hope for.

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J Dilla and Common had a really tight creative bond and, at one point, lived together in L.A. So you know that Common got dibs on all of his hot beats first. They were hip-hop brethren just trying to work together and of all of their collaborations, living and posthumous, the track “Thelonius,” is the sharpest intersection of the two legendary artists' careers.

A singular song fit for two albums, the cut was placed on Common’s fourth studio album Like Water for Chocolate and Fantastic Vol. II, Slum Village's classic sophomore album. “Thelonius” as we know it was in a way an accident...a soulful snafu that we get to enjoy forever. In this excerpt of VIBE's Then & Now video franchise, Common shares how the song manifested unplanned, willed into existence by Dilla’s uncompromising creative compass.

The story is brought to life with artwork by visual artist supreme, Dan Lish (@DanLish1), the man behind Raekwon’s The Wild album artwork. The illustrations you see in this video are a small fraction of what you can find in his upcoming book: Egostrip Vol 1 – The Essential Hip Hop Art Book, a psychedelic visual history of hip-hop to be enjoyed by the genre’s oldest and youngest fans alike. 

Today is the last day to support Lish's Kickstarter for the incredible project. Click the following link for a copy of your own: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dan-lish/egostrip-book-1 

“I picked up on what inspired me about the artists, whether it be a certain lyric from a classic song or my perception of what may be going through their mind at the moment of creation,” says Lish.

There is much more to be said about all of these artists. For more stories on Common’s catalog, including several more Dilla cuts, stay tuned for the upcoming episode of Then & Now, where we dig deeper into notable tracks in the career of one Lonnie Rashid "Common" Lynn, Jr.

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Quavo Is Introducing 'Fan Controlled Football' To The Culture

From their penchant for popping tags and name-dropping designer brands in their rhymes to the obsession with diamond-encrusted neckwear, the Migos are the modern-day poster-children for decadence and opulence. But when it comes to balling, group member Quavo is a seasoned veteran, literally and figuratively. Notorious for his appearances in NBA all-star celebrity games, where he routinely dominates the competition, Huncho has built a rep as one of the athletically gifted hit-makers in music today.

Although he's known for his skills on the hardwood, football is definitely among his passions. His newest endeavor, an ownership stake in Fan Controlled Football (FCF), the first professional sports league to put the viewer in the coach's seat and the general manager's office, in live time, finds him putting his focus back on the gridiron. Having inked an exclusive, multi-year streaming broadcast partnership with Twitch, the FCF will be the first professional sports league to be fully integrated with the streaming platform with the potential to explode in the digital age, where user interest and participation is the main recipe for success.

Having tossed the pigskin around as a Georgia high school football star, to Quavo, it was a no-brainer to get involved with the innovative league on the ground level. “We are building a brand and something different in our league – with the fans. They are in control and get to pick the team names, colors, logos, and more,” said Quavo said in a press release. “I’m really excited because FCF is fast-paced, high-scoring 7v7 football and you are in control. You go from sitting on the couch watching TV and pressing buttons on the remote to actually pressing the buttons on the plays.”

Played on "a 35-yard x 50-yard field with 10-yard end zones,” the Fan Controlled Football league will kick off in February 2021, with a four-week regular season, one week of playoffs, and a Championship week. The league will consist of former elite D-1 athletes, the CFL, XFL, and the Indoor Football League. Broadcasted live from the FCF’s state-of-the-art facility in Atlanta, each game will be 60 minutes in length and will allow the viewers to play a hand in the final outcome on Twitch.

Aside from sports, Quavo has been relatively lowkey on the musical tip as of late, with two years having passed since a solo release or a Migos album. However, according to him, this delay can be considered the calm before the storm, as he assures him and his brethren are primed for one of their biggest years yet. VIBE hopped on the line with Quavo to talk Fan Controlled Football, what he's got cooking in the studio, and his foray into TV and film.


You're the newest team owner at Fan Controlled Football (FCF). What about the league piqued your interest and made you wanna get involved?

It's just showing my interest in the game of football and just trying to put a twist to where it's fan-controlled, fan-involved. A lot of times we watch the game, you watch the game, you just have some concerns. Sometimes you feel you can make the plays or call the play, [with FCF], you can sit on the couch and make the play. I just think we came together to make something crazy like that. I feel like it's something hard, it's something new, it's something fresh. It's a new beginning to something, like giving ni**as a chance. Giving D-1 players who couldn't make it to the league a chance, giving ex-NFL ni**as a chance if they still got it, [and] to go with the fans. When we saw the Falcons lose the Superbowl LI, we [fans] just knew what plays to call, we knew to run the ball. We were up 28-3. All we had to do was hold the ball, but we wanted to air it out and we made a mistake and lost to Tom Brady. Just like when Marshawn could've won a Superbowl. If they'd have given him the ball on the two-yard line. We knew that Marshawn Lynch was supposed to get the ball, [but] they wanted Russell Wilson to win it and the New England Patriots caught an interception. So that's how we're trying to shape it, we're trying to make something new.

The FCF will be live-streamed exclusively on Twitch, which has become one of the leading platforms for eSports live-streaming and will kick off in February 2021. Do you feel the FCF has the opportunity to fill that NFL void during the spring, particularly given the fan engagement that FCF enables?

Most definitely, cause after the Super Bowl, it just feels like you just want another game. You feel like you want one more game. and coming from something [where it's] eleven on eleven players to seven on seven, I feel [there’s] still a difference. After coming from watching the game and the regular politics, the regular structure of the game, now you're getting to be involved in a game that you can control. You can pick the jersey, you can pick the helmets, you can pick the jerseys, you can pick the coaches, you can pick the plays. I just feel there are two different dynamics [between the NFL and FCF). You come from sitting on the couch and pressing the remote to actually pressing the button on the plays."

Speaking of fan engagement, the FCF is the only professional sports league that enables fans to call the plays in real-time and puts the viewer in control of a game’s outcome like never before. Have you ever had that experience, as far as fantasy football?

Nah, but I'm into Madden. You can sit at home and pick your plays [with FCF], it's just like the lifestyle of Madden. It's like a reality of Madden. You're playing with people at home, with these unique athletes, and it's seven-on-seven.

As an Atlanta native, how significant was the FCF’s state-of-the-art facility being in your hometown in your decision to come on board as an owner?

It's very important. We got top-tier talent here, so it's opening up opportunities for a lot of guys. We're just glad it's in the south, it's like a hub. Everybody loves Atlanta and everybody wanna be here. Everybody wanna play and the weather is good.

NFL Super Bowl Champions Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch, boxing legend Mike Tyson, and YouTuber and podcaster empire Greg Miller are among the FCF's team owners. How does it feel to be competing against some of the most accomplished athletes and entertainers in the world? Have you had the opportunity to meet with any of them?

Most definitely. I have a good relationship with Mike Tyson. I've met Marshawn Lynch, it's a blessing. I feel like we're not competing right now, I feel like we're building a brand. I feel like we're building a league. I feel like we're trying to make the world understand what we're bringing to the table and what type of game we bring to the table, you feel me? I feel we're trying to create something different. Once we get the ball rolling, it's all together and moving into a real FCF league, then we'll get to compete. Of course, we all wanna win, but right now, we're just trying to get the foundation and the basics going and letting the strength of the owners and the relationships show on the field.

Being that you'll all be working with your respective fan bases in shaping your team’s personality and identity, any thoughts about what the team’s name will be? 

Man, I wish I did, but it's so straight strictly fans that you never know. Just like with music, can have an idea that is a smash, and then the fans don't think it is. You gotta strictly listen to the fans on this one. You gotta listen strictly to how they want it because it's the point of the game, that's the point of the league. We gotta let them control this game and then we the players and we the people that's listening to the people, the culture. FCF stands for culture, too, you feel what I'm saying? We listen to the culture, we're letting the culture run the field.

How involved will you be in the drafting and scouting process for your squad?

The fans make the draft, fans get to see everything. Open books, everything. It's an open thing, it ain't nothing to hide over here. The fans control it all.

In addition to sports, you've also been delving into acting, with cameos in shows like Atlanta, Star, Black-ish, and Ballers. Earlier this year, you appeared as yourself in Narcos: Mexico. How did that opportunity come about? 

Narcos reached out. We [Migos] had this song called “Narcos” on the [Culture II] album and we went and shot [the video] in Miami and everybody thought it was a Narcos movie scene and it ended up being Madonna's house. So we just shot that there and then they reached out to us. I think Offset had a performance somewhere and Takeoff had to do something and I just ended up being free that day and I went and shot it in New Mexico. I had fun, I loved it.

Do you have plans to pursue any supporting or leading roles in film or television?

Hell yeah, most definitely. I've been sitting down and having real great meetings with directors and people that got some movies in the works for 2021. I feel like I’ve got some good spots. I don't wanna tell it cause they’re gonna make some announcements. It's coming soon.

It's been two years since you've released a solo project or one with the Migos. Can fans expect any new music from you anytime soon and what are your next plans on that front?

Most definitely, hell yeah, we're shooting videos right now. We’re vaulting up a whole lot of videos so we can give you music and visuals at the same time. “Need It," the song came first and then the video. Right now, we wanna get a lot of videos and a lot records in the vault and smash [them] all at once 'cause it's been two years.

Pop Smoke's passing was one of the more tragic events in rap in recent memory, but his debut album, which you appeared on throughout, has been one of the most successful and acclaimed projects of 2020. How has it been seeing how the album’s been received, especially after you and him developed such a bond in a short time?

I'm happy. I'm proud of him, that was my partner. We did a lot of records, we spent a lot of time together and I feel like the album would've did even more with him being alive. A lot of people's album just go crazy when they die, I feel like his sh*t would've still went crazy. He had the momentum, he had the buzz. He was having fun. He was hot, he was fresh, he had everything ready.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

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Toots Hibbert performing at Hammersmith Palais, London in 1983.
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Remembering Toots Hibbert

The best singers don’t need too many words to make their point. Otis Redding could let loose with a sad sad song like “Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa” and get you all in your feelings. Bob Marley got pulses pounding with his “Whoi-yoooo” rebel yell. Gregory Isaacs melted hearts with nothing more than a gentle sigh. Toots Hibbert, who died last Friday at the age of 77, could sing just about anything and make it sound good. One of the world's greatest vocalists in any genre, Toots paired his powerful voice with the understated harmonies of Raleigh Gordon and Jerry Mathias to form The Maytals, a vocal trinity that never followed fashion and remained relevant throughout the evolution of Jamaican music—from the ska era to rock steady straight through to reggae, a genre named after The Maytals' 1968 classic “Do The Reggay.”

Whether they were singing a sufferer’s selection (“Time Tough”), a churchical chant (“Hallelujah”), or the tender tale of a country wedding (“Sweet and Dandy”), The Maytals blew like a tropical storm raining sweat and tears. The lyrics to Six and Seven Books,” one of The Maytals' earliest hits, are pretty much just Toots listing the books of the Bible. “You have Genesis and Exodus,” he declares over a Studio One ska beat, “Leviticus and Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua, Judges and Ruth...” Having grown up singing in his parents' Seventh Day Adventist Church in the rural Jamaican town of May Pen, Toots knew the Good Book well.

The Maytals broke out worldwide in 1966 thanks to the song “Bam Bam,” which won Jamaica's first-ever Independence Festival Song Competition, held during the first week of August as the island nation celebrated both independence from Great Britain in 1862 and emancipation in 1834. They would go on to win the coveted title two more times, but “Bam Bam” was a singular song with a message every bit as powerful as Toots' voice. “I want you to know that I am the man," Toots sang. He was young and strong, ready to "fight for the right, not for the wrong." The trajectory of "Bam Bam" would not only transform Toots' life but make waves throughout popular music worldwide.

"Festival in Jamaica is very important to all Jamaicans," the veteran singer stated in a video interview this past summer while promoting his latest entry into the annual competition. "I must tell you that I won three festivals in Jamaica already, which is “Bam Bam,” “Sweet & Dandy” and “Pomp & Pride.” Toots described that first festival competition as a joyous occasion. "Everybody just want to hear a good song that their children can sing," he recalled. "Is like every artist could be a star."

In 2016, on the 50th anniversary of "Bam Bam" winning first place, Toots looked back over the legacy of the tune that made him a star. "I didn’t know what it means but it was a big deal," he told Boomshots. "You in the music business and you want to be on top and you write a good song and you go on this competition and if they like it then it becomes #1." After The Maytals won, the group was in demand not just all over the island, but all over the world. "We start fly out like a bird," he says with a laugh. "Fly over to London."

"Bam Bam" went on to inspire numerous cover versions, starting with Sister Nancy, Yellowman, and Pliers. It would also be sampled in numerous hip hop classics, and interpolated into Lauryn Hill's "Lost Ones." But according to Toots, he did not benefit financially from these endless cover versions. "People keep on singing it over and over and over, and they don’t even pay me a compliment," he told Boomshots. "I haven’t been collecting no money from that song all now."


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When Toots began singing in his parents' church, music was not seen as a career prospect, and the profits were slim for Jamaican recording artists in the 1960s. "Those days we get 14 cents for the record to play on the radio," Toots said. "I get three shillings and five shillings for a number one record, which I had 31 number one record in Jamaica... It’s not about money for me. It’s about the quality that Jamaicans need to go back in the festival jamboree... You gotta talk to the children."

On the poignant “54-46 (Was My Number),” Toots recalls the dehumanization of his arrest and 18-month imprisonment at Jamaica's Richmond Farm Correctional Center for what he always insisted was a trumped-up ganja charge just as his music career was taking off. The song's crescendo comes two minutes in when Toots breaks into a scat solo that cannot be translated into any language known to man, delivered with palpable passion that made his message universal. During Toots' ecstatic stage performances he would follow this riff by commanding his band to “Give it to me... one time!” Then the 'd make 'em say Uh!  (Way before Master P!) “Give it to me... two times!” Uh! Uh! And so on and so forth until Toots worked the place into a frenzy.

The Maytals' live show was so explosive that Toots began touring all over the world, opening for rock megastars like The Rolling Stones and The Who. While Bob Marley richly deserved the title King of Reggae, his friend Toots was performing internationally before The Wailers, and remained a force to be reckoned with throughout his life, blazing a trail for generations of reggae artists to follow in his footsteps.

On his Grammy-winning 2004 album True Love, Toots recorded some of his greatest hits with a host of legendary artists, many of whom were also good friends, including Willie Nelson, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Bonnie Raitt, Sheryl Crow, and Eric Clapton. His 2006 cover of Radiohead's "Let Down" was a favorite of the band's, who used to play it on their tour bus. Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood called Toots’ version “truly astounding,” according to Easy Star Records Michael Goldwasser.

Toots supported himself and his family by touring all over the world. During a 2013 show in Richmond, Virginia he was singing John Denver's "Take Me Home Country Roads" when a teenager in the crowd threw a vodka bottle at the stage and hit him on the head. He suffered a concussion and had to stop touring for several years. As his first album in a decade, Got To Be Tough was highly anticipated when it was released on Trojan Jamaica label August 28. On the cover the former boxer and lifelong fighter can be seen throwing a punch. Just a day after the album dropped, Toots came down with symptoms similar to COVID 19. Within a few days he was hospitalized where doctors placed him into a medically induced coma from which he never recovered. As his Tidal obituary pointed out, he passed away exactly 33 years after his old friend Peter Tosh died by gunfire.

Songs like "Just Brutal" from the hit different now, with Toots pleading for more love in a world gone wrong. "We were brought here," Toots sings. "Sold out. Victimized brutally. Every time I keep remembering what my grandfather said before he died."

“I’m feeling alright,” Toots said the last time we spoke, while he was still sidelined with stress issues due to the bottle-throwing incident. "I’m feeling alright. I’m feeling alright. I’m feeling just cool because is Jah works. You seet?" I asked him if the song "Bam Bam," was about him—a peaceful man who should not be provoked—or else. "Nooo don't trouble him," Toots said with a laugh. "It’s gonna be double trouble, triple trouble. A lot of trouble."

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