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Interview: 15 Years After “Work It,” Alyson Stoner Talks Missy Elliott’s Character And Influence On Her Career

"[Missy] created an atmosphere of easy-going, good-natured fun..."

In the 15 years that Missy Elliott’s magnetic fourth studio LP Under Construction joined the legendary MC’s catalogue, it has become her highest-selling album to date, reaching a total of over 2 million albums sold. In 2004, the album was Grammy-nominated for Best Rap Album as well as Album Of The Year, and spawned hits such as “Work It,” “Gossip Folks” and “Pussycat.”

Other than knowing we’ll be getting true lyricism when it comes to Misdemeanor, fans have also come to expect eye-popping visuals with stand-out choreography. Through the years, her videos have highlighted her individuality and creativity as an all-around entertainer. While several dancers have performed in her videos throughout the years, one dancer in particular rose to fame in her own right during and after the Under Construction era.

Alyson Stoner has over 40 film credits to her name since donning a pink track suit and pigtails. She’s starred in films such as Step Up, Cheaper By The Dozen and its sequel, and has done extensive work on the Disney Channel in Camp Rock, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody and Phineas & Ferb. She’s currently working on new music and is hoping to release her forthcoming album soon.

The now 24-year-old, who also appeared in Eminem’s “Just Lose It” video and danced backup for Will Smith and Outkast, continues to keep it movin’ today. She performs in several viral dance videos of her own, takes classes and teaches as often as she can. She hopes to continue to spread the power of dance by embarking on her own dance tour one day.

For the 15th anniversary of the album’s release, VIBE caught up with the well-spoken young woman over the phone, where she discussed her start in Missy’s colorful videos and how her career has popped off since. She also explains how working with industry superstars during her career’s beginnings has had lasting effects on her work ethic.

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VIBE: How did you get your start in the commercial dance world?
Alyson Stoner: I started dancing at the age of three in my hometown of Toledo, Ohio, and it really was my sister's dream to pursue dance professionally. I had a basketball tournament or scrimmage that got cancelled [one day], and this audition came in for a music video. They were looking for young kids. For fun, we had time and we went, and it ended up being the Missy Elliott audition.

There were about 400, 500 kids, it felt like a zoo. We learned some choreography, and at that time...I'm almost positive that I was one of the only people from that day of the audition process to make it through. By the time we got on set for "Work It," I almost feel like they hired other young girls just from the community, from the neighborhood to come get down. Of course, I stuck out like a sore thumb, because they put me in the pink jumpsuit and pigtails and I was the only white girl.

To this day, I'm really grateful for Missy and whoever's idea it was [to put kids in the video]. They had to have been thinking about making a statement that's still applicable today that kind of bridges the gap between different lifestyles and different people through music.

What do you think draws people to watching talented kids? There's a lot of kids working today in the dance industry, in the commercial world, who are so young and talented, it’s insane.
I think generationally, as human progress does its thing, we are constantly impressed by the upcoming generation. Not just a matter of motor skills and memorization, but these kids seem to be grasping storytelling at a younger age, and they're making creative choices, stylistically, that express feelings that we know as adults they've never even experienced before.

I think there's just a wonderment about it. As a young person training in an athletic program, it can quickly turn into a little bit of a workhorse, train-hard, competition sort of thing. From the outside looking in, we're wowed by these young people, but I have to admit, when I am around the young people in the industry, I try to activate their youth while they're in class with me. I don't want it to become, "who can do the most flips in the least amount of time?"

It's not about the achievement; retain that sense of young exploration, hobby, outlet, expression. I think this climate of social media and viral videos can get compromised really quickly. I understand the Olympic mentality, but it's pretty intense on a young psyche.

What was that initial meeting with Missy like?
Missy has been wonderful from day one. She kept the kids in a separate location, and used a different version of the song [“Work It”] that was edited, so we wouldn't have to be exposed to some of the other content.  She was really kind, just kind-spirited.

I think having someone who was like a friendly, courteous aunt, and then watching the video later and realizing the magnitude of her celebrity and influence just goes to show her character, how really genuine and present she is with people, and how thoughtful she is with her crew and her cast.

I would have never expected to work with her for that long. There were times we considered going on tour with her, and Missy and her camp just simply said, 'A tour is not a good environment for kids, and we don't want them around it.' People would probably would have loved to see us go off! Now, a generation later, it's a little more common, but at that time, it would have been us on stage with Eminem, and 50 [Cent] and these other people. Missy said, "Nah, not for the little ones." She was thinking about our well-being the whole time, and that's really great.

Did she give you any advice on the set when it came to performing to your best ability?
At eight and nine [years old]...it didn't have to be direct advice, she created the environment for us. She created an atmosphere of easy-going, good-natured fun, and I think it allowed us to not even consider that we were performing in front of a camera that's gonna be syndicated to the world. It really kept us, in a very palpable way, engaged with each other and focused on the dance. That's something that I think the best artists retain—the ability to invite you into their small, intimate inner space, and let that be what radiates. That's sort of what I learned from Missy, that everything is really inside out.

"It's not about the achievement; retain that sense of young exploration, hobby, outlet, expression. I think this climate of social media and viral videos can get compromised really quickly. I understand the Olympic mentality, but it's pretty intense on a young psyche."

She's definitely that kind of artist that makes you think, ‘Oh! That's what she was trying to tell us!'

Yeah, and she leads by example. That's the best way to learn, and I was taught so much just by being around her. At that age, I could only work a certain number of hours, and she's only in a couple of shots, so she made a lot out of the few moments that we did have together.

Coming from a small town growing up, when people started to notice you from the videos, what was your first reaction to that?
It was exciting, [but] it was also odd. I don't think a young person ever really quite knows what's going on when their norm becomes going to the grocery store with sunglasses on at 11 years old. It's kind of weird, and I'll say it also went to my head the first little season, because that became normal for me. Then, it was all about maintaining a career at 10 years old and staying out in the public eye with new projects. 'New, new, new, new, new!' It's had its severe effects over the years, but looking back I'm grateful.

If I choose to stay in this industry, I'm grateful that I was exposed to it at a young age, so I'm able to sort of maturely handle the nature of fame being sort of this illusion that we buy into, knowing it's not really real, but it still comes with responsibilities. When you have influence, what you say and do matters. Even if you didn't want to be judged for it, you will be. I learned a lot of lessons really young.

Since being in Missy's videos, you've worked in movies, you've worked for Disney, you're a singer, you still perform. Looking back, what it is like to see that it started out with dancing?
I think the best part in this moment, looking back, is that I've never loved dance so much as I do today. The fact that my soul and my entire being still feel alive when I think about dance and when I'm moving is one of the few, few...and I mean few [laughs] elements of being in this crazy industry that makes it absolutely worth it. It gives you that reassurance that you're tapped into a true part of yourself, and your hard work has paid off, but you're also still excited about what's ahead.

That's awesome.
Trust me, it's up and down, but I've never loved dance as much as I do today, and that feels really great. It feels like an old friend!

You did a tribute dance to Missy a few years ago. What was it like putting all of that together?
That was so stressful [Laughs]. Man, I got off a plane and I had about 300 messages asking if I was going to be on the [2015] Super Bowl performance, or why I wasn't there. Then all the memes started circulating with my young face [Laughs]. By no means was it me trying to capitalize on a moment to reclaim fame, but I did feel compelled to create an honorable tribute, to pay homage to Missy and thank her.

Assembling about 40 people in three days, a crew pulling all favors, everyone coming together for free. That was sort of the first example of me taking charge of an idea and line producing and coordinating an entire set, and running an entire show, while also performing myself, and being in the editing room with my videographer, and saying, 'Not that shot, this shot,' 'this honored the original choreography best,' making those decisions.

A lot was riding on that video. Hours before we were supposed to release it, my YouTube [channel] got hacked. It was a series of those events that test you. I was sitting on my kitchen floor with my publicist trying to come up with ideas, exhausted. Buzzfeed was on the other line asking for the code for the video, and handling so many things but still hearing the question in my head, 'How badly do you want it? How much do you care?' I said ‘I could throw it all away and call it off, but my gut feels like this is meant to happen.’

Honestly, it was one of the first times I trusted my gut. I was told by my team and my family not to do the video. They thought it would come across negatively. I said "I think as a person and a performer, people will see the quality of people in this video, and that our energy is positive and full of gratitude." It has like 18 million views on it, which now is not even a lot compared to viral videos, but at the time, it was a part of that first wave.

I bet she was really excited to see it. She has such a respect for the dance community.
It's been nice! We stay in touch a little through mutual friends, some in her main crew are friends of mine. Whether it's a 'happy birthday' message here, or an encouragement there, it's nice to feel her presence. Hopefully in the future, I'd love to link up with her again and speak as adults and say, "Hey, here's who I've become as a woman. You've inspired me, what might we be able to make together for the next generation?"

Would that be the one thing you'd say to her if you saw her today? Or you'd say something else?
I'm in a creative space making my album right now. If I saw her today, I would create a room, and the speakers would be the floor, and we would just lay down and listen to music, feeling the vibrations of the music underneath us. We would talk or just be quiet, and enjoy music together and then create something. That's what I would love to see happen!

That would be really cool! Just the thought of having a room with speakers on the floor...
Yeah girl, a new music video idea! [Laughs].

So you've worked with Missy, you've worked with Eminem, you’ve worked with monsters in the game. Being able to say you've worked with such superstars in the industry, what's that like? Does that feeling validate anything?
I'm probably not gonna give you the answer that I would have given you two years ago—I would have been like, 'Yeah it's so great!' But to be a little more honest, there's such little control about how your career materializes. I think I'm grateful for the fortune of it, but it really could have been anyone. There's a specialness to savor the moment because I had the fortune of meeting them, but with that comes a sacredness to do something great with it. If you're gonna be surrounded by greatness, don't miss out on the opportunity to find the greatness within yourself.

It was Steve Martin in Cheaper [By The Dozen], and Hilary [Duff] had Lizzie McGuire, and she was the biggest tween star at the time. It's awesome to be surrounded by people operating at high levels, because I immediately came into the industry expecting the best out of myself, and setting high standards. Without those, I don't think you build the tenacity to endure what's ahead.

This industry has a lot of parts that no one outside of the industry will ever know or understand. These people pushed through and built something memorable, so that was my standard. That has to be my launching point. It can only get bigger and better from here. I am grateful for it, but really, it could have been anyone. I could have quit after the millionth ‘no’ that I've gotten, and someone could have taken my spot in a heartbeat. It's so unpredictable.

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Lil Kim Talks '9' Album, Biggie And Rick Ross Comparisons, And Celebrates City Girls' JT's Freedom

This past July, Lil Kim canceled two interviews, citing that the outlets wouldn’t “put respect on my name” and “wanted to be messy.” But the rap legend known as Queen Bee has had plenty of blessings this year. At a dinner honoring their friend Notorious B.I.G.’s birthday on May 21, she and Lil Cease reconciled their strained relationship after not seeing each other in person for 13 years. In September, she received the I Am Hip Hop Icon Award at the 2019 BET Hip-Hop Awards and gave a nostalgic performance with surprise appearances by Junior M.A.F.I.A., Musiq Soulchild and O.T. Genasis.

The year’s worth of positivity culminated with the release of 9, Lil Kim’s long-awaited fifth studio album that pairs her raunchy, street-oriented bars her fans love with guest appearances by Rick Ross, City Girls and Rich The Kid. While Kim has released several mixtapes over the past decade, 9 is her first studio album since 2005’s The Naked Truth, which she released days within beginning a prison bid. And her fans were patiently waiting: the day of the release of 9, Lil Kim was trending nationwide on Twitter.

In a conversation with VIBE, Lil Kim speaks about her new album, weighs in on comparisons between Biggie and Rick Ross, and rejoices the City Girls’ JT newfound freedom.

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VIBE: Your last official album was The Naked Truth, and you had a lot to say on that album because of what you were dealing with. What made you decide to make a new album now?

Lil Kim: Why not? I’m a beast, I love music. Why not? I love music, I’m good at what I do, and my fans want it. As long as my fans want it, I’m going to keep giving it to them and doing what I want to do.

Your fans definitely want it. You were trending worldwide today on Twitter when the album dropped. What’s it like to see the interest that high so far into your career?

It’s amazing. Not only was I trending, but I was number one in so many different countries. Number one, number two. Number 16 on all genres since last night, before the album even officially dropped.

 

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The album sounds current, but it still sounds like you. Was there a dedicated effort to make it sound current and like what's already out there?

It was actually a dedicated effort to do what I wanted to do. To be the classic Kim I am, and be in the now and to be in the future.

One of my favorite songs on the album is “Pray For Me.” How did that come together?

That’s one of my favorite songs, too. I wrote that song right in my kitchen. I thought about it when I was going through a lot of things. I’m a very spiritual person, I’m big on energy and spirit. The energy I was feeling when I heard that beat, that’s where I wanted to release the energy and the things I was going through in that song. The song came like that, we didn’t add that in the beat in there. So I felt like the beat was laid out for me. I already saw Rick Ross, and I already saw Musiq Soulchild, and I saw myself setting the song up.

A lot of people, I believe including Diddy, have said that Ross reminds them of Biggie. Do you agree with those comparisons?

I think he has some similarities, yeah. You can tell that Biggie’s influence is there, and that’s amazing. There will never be another BIG, period. But I don’t think necessarily that Ross is trying to be BIG or anything like that. I think that he just has big love for BIG, and he has a lot of similarities, and I love it. His style is super dope. I’ve always loved him, and I think he expressed that from the moment he came out.

Another favorite is “Auto Blanco.” On that record you said, “BIG and Pac be alive if you niggas ain’t gas shit up. If I knew who did it, I’d personally wrap their caskets up.” It’s been a while, but are you still actively mourning?”

All the time I’m mourning his death. All the time. But as far as trying to go to the end of the world to find out who did it, no, I just let God work that out. Because sooner or later, everything from the dark will come out. But at this point, all I can do is live for him.

Tell me about the significance behind the number nine as this album's title.

Nine is my spiritual awakening number. There were nine members in Junior Mafia, my baby was born June 9, Biggie passed on March 9. It is 2019. My birthday is 7/11, seven plus two is nine. When you get a spiritual awakening, you have to act on that moment. And there you have it… Something that’s a spiritual awakening can’t be negative. With every rise, every level you go to, with every win when God is working on your life, the devil’s gonna come. But nine is all positive.

The Naked Truth is an angry record, and you had plenty of reason to be upset. After you got out, how did you get to the point where you were able to grapple with what happened and move forward with your life?

Because it wasn’t what people thought. I met some of my best friends inside. I got a lot of rest the first two weeks, I was tired because I was working. I learned a lot. It was like going to a very, very, very, very bad boarding school. (laughs) I learned a lot, and I got to get closer to God. It wasn’t as bad inside as it was when I came home, the things I had to go through, to be honest with you. I had worse times outside of prison than I did in prison. I had to go through some really really dark, deep things.

JT of City Girls just got out of prison, and you had them on your album on the song "I Found You." Do you have any advice for JT?

I haven’t spoken to her yet, but we’re trying to set up a call so I can talk to her. That’s my girl, I’m so happy that she’s home. I know that feeling. Ain’t nothing like your freedom. I love that girl, I love them, I love Miami…I think everybody who just comes home renewed with how they move and live at that point, because you’re free. You use your own discrepancy. Everybody has their own different climb that they’re going to.

At the Biggie dinner, you were reunited with Cease. What has it been like to have that relationship mended?

It’s a beautiful thing. As you can see, nothing but greatness and beautiful things have come out of that. Look at the BET [Hip-Hop] Awards! That shit was fucking nostalgic! That shit was fucking amazing. Junior M.A.F.I.A. came out and the crowd went nuts. Sometimes when people realize things they have done and they apologize sincerely, that is worth more than gold. That’s a family member. Family fucks up, that’s it. We do that in our family and relationship. But when it’s family, especially for someone like Biggie, we have to come together and we have to let Biggie live the way he’s supposed to. That was my way of mending his broken heart.

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For Us By Us: 8 Things To Know About The Black News Channel

A network for us by us is heading to a television near you. The Black News Channel, a network dedicated to quality news and original content for African-Americans, will see the light of day next month.

BNC has been over a decade in the making thanks to J.C. Watts, the former Oklahoma congressman who wanted to create a platform similar to CNN with only news and insight by people of color. Networks like BET and TVOne have respectfully released similar programming in the past with BET Nightly News and News One Now hosted by Roland Martin, but this new network plans to run on a 24-hour news cycle while tying in programs that will benefit teens, women, and HBCUs.

It was recently announced that Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan made up a large part of the investment pool, with many wondering just how the network will be run. Khan has reportedly voted for President Donald Trump but has continuously slammed his tenure as commander-in-chief.

According to BNC's website, their mission statement is "to provide intelligent programming that is informative, educational, inspiring and empowering to its African-American audience." They also hope to "preserve a proud black American heritage" and inspire viewers with uplifting and spiritual content daily.

The network will launch across over 30 million households on Friday, Nov. 15. In the meantime, here's everything you should know about the Black News Channel.

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1. The BNC Was Co-Founded by J.C. Watts, A Former Athlete Turned Republican Congressman

Watts has worn many hats in his life with most of them existing in the business space. Some of his endeavors include a public affairs consulting company as well as director seats at companies like retail giant Dillard's, CSX Corporation and ITC Holdings.

Before jumping into the business world, Watts played college football for the Oklahoma Sooners and later, the Canadian Football League. After becoming a Baptist minister in the early '90s, he ran for Congress and served four terms.

During that time, Watts worked alongside Capitol Hill with former Presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush. During the late '90s, he was elected to the chair of the House Republican Conference. He also co-founded the Coalition for AIDS Relief in Africa and helped develop legislation with Congressman John Lewis to establish the Smithsonian Museum of African American history.

The idea for BNC came in 2004 with the intent to provide quality news and original programming to African-American households. "The Black news channel is culturally specific to the African-American community," he told The Street earlier this month.

"You've got 200 plus stations on any cable system. We are the one location that you can come and find out about wellness culture, current affairs as it relates to African-American communities." He also stressed the need to provide a safe space for black wellness earlier this year on Power 105.1's The Breakfast Club.

2. The BNC Was Almost Based On FAMU's Campus

Before setting up shop in Tallassee, Florida, Watts was interested in filming on the campus but decided against it. Instead, the network will work closely with Ann Kimbrough in the School of Journalism & Graphic Communication at Florida A&M University and other Historical Black Colleges & Universities across the country.

3. It Will Serve Over 30 Million Households

BNC will operate as a 24/7 news channel and will launch to an estimated 33 million households. A reported 23 million are satellite owners while the other 10 million are from cable TV households in cities like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Atlanta. A studio was also built this year for the network in New Orleans.

In the early stages of the network, the company created "on-air programming trials" that served 8 million people. The project helped the company with the type of content they wanted to create and the content viewers wanted to see.

4. Religion And Faith Might Play A Role In Programming

Under the site's goals for the Black News Channel, the company notes how they've built strong relationships with African-American figures from the clergy, media, and politics. While it isn't known just how faith will play into BNC's ideology, there seems to be something there.

5. One of Their Biggest Investors Has A Fickle Relationship With President Donald Trump

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan wants Black News Channel to reflect the views of African-Americans but critics aren't thrilled about his political ties. Khan reportedly voted for Trump and donated $1 million to his inauguration. During an interview at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit this month, Khan explained his appreciation for Trump's economic retort but a distaste for his social policies around immigration, religion and civil rights.

Khan was one of the first NFL owners to famously lock arms with players in solidarity for Colin Kaepernick who was slammed for kneeling during the National Anthem. “Those were human causes that [the players] brought a lot of attention to," he said.

"And since then, the league has done a lot. We’d need a special program with you to go through all the stuff. And the players have done a lot. That was the time for talk and symbolism; since then, it’s been time for action. And there’s been a lot of action. Local communities, prison reform, a lot of those things that impact not only minorities but other people.”

But when it comes to his investment in BNC, Khan wants to change the narrative in media about black lifestyles. “I believe there is an undeniable calling for everything the Black News Channel will deliver to African-American television audiences, who have historically been underserved, in an era where networks have otherwise successfully targeted news to specific demographic groups and interests,” Khan told WJCT, adding, “My decision to invest is an easy one, because we get to answer that call.”

6. Original Programming Will Cater To Black Women and Teens

An estimated 12 hours will be dedicated to the news while the rest will focus on content dedicated to women and teens. Other programs will also shed light on alternative sports like MMA, Muay Thai and the NBA on a global level.

Some standout program synopses include:

Being a Woman

This daily one-hour hosted talk show is dedicated to topics of interest to women of all ages. Show topics will range from childbirth to caring for elderly parents, business to politics, and entertainment to hair care. No topic is too big or too small for this woman-to-woman discussion. The show host will select distinguished women from the vast array of academic experts and alumnae professionals associated with our Historical Black Colleges & Universities to co-host each day’s program.

Getting Ready With Jane: Today's Teen

In this show, family therapist Jane Marks gets real with teens and speaks a language they can understand. With more than forty years of experience helping families and young people in crisis, Marks offers helpful and timely advice to young African Americans about coping in today’s world. This one-hour weekly program is family-friendly and offers a message of hope. Today’s Teen Talk series is definitely “must see TV.”

My Money

This daily half-hour business show will examine best practices for wisely making and managing your money, as well as news and information about what is happening in the financial markets at home and around the world. This format will include a host and financial experts as studio guests.

7. HBCU's Will Have A Great Influence On The Black News Channel

BNC's relationship with Historical Black Colleges & Universities will run deep. Not only will aspiring journalists have an opportunity to work at the network but they will also have exposure to media training and state of the art production.

The series Living Social at HBCUs will also explore life on HBCU campuses and the intersection of education and cultural development.

8. Larry Elder Will More Than Likely Ruffle Feathers

Everyone loves a wildcard and BNC has found one in Larry Elder. The radio staple and attorney has over 25 years in the industry from news programs on NBC and ABC News & Talk. He also starred as a judge on Moral Court, an early production by TMZ creator Harvey Levin in 2001.

Elder's views have been seen as conservative but he reportedly identifies as a Libertarian. After walking away from the news show sector, Elder made his way to digital radio and podcasting where he's led conversations on topics like "Unwed Fathers" in the NBA, education, and criticism of the early presidential candidates of the 2020 election. He's also a frequent user of the #HillaryUnhinged hashtag that criticizes the former presidential candidate.

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— Larry Elder (@larryelder) October 21, 2019

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Larry Elder VIDEO: Black and Hispanic Democrats WANT Choice in Education--White Democrats DO NOT!https://t.co/ghQQMNS4iV#SchoolVouchers

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A program hasn't been shared on BNC's website but Elder is listed as a "Show Host/Commentator." We're sure many will tune in to hear about today's culture from his perspective.

Learn more about the Black News Channel here.

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SAINt JHN Brings Unwavering Confidence To New York's Experimental Rap Sound

SAINt JHN’s amalgamation of primal energy and eager mosh pits at Rolling Loud are unmatched. A hazy sunset would’ve been a fitting pairing for his rage session, but his early set at New York’s Citi Field Saturday (Oct. 12) gets the job done. While a few curious eyes from VIP are studying the vibes, the trenches are full of fans screaming lyrics to “5,000 Singles,” "94 Bentley” and “Trap” (feat. Lill Baby)—all standouts from his sophomore project, Ghetto Lenny’s Love Songs.

The diverse crowd isn’t a surprise to the Brooklyn artist. JHN’s musical ancestry has allowed his vines to branch out to artists like Usher, dvsn and Beyonce; all artists he’s earned co-writer credits for respectively. But then there are those who discovered him through Fortnite or his work on “Brown Skin Girl.” No matter how Ghetto Lenny crossed fans' path, he’s grateful listeners are making the pit stop.

“It's better than anything I could ask for, that’s what I wanted,” he tells VIBE. “I just wanted people to hear the sounds and fall in love and not overthink it. You get a 12-year-old and you'll get a 55-year-old standing next to each other in the audience. They’re from different eras of music but they’ll feel the same way.”

JHN calls his presence at New York’s first Rolling Loud “good timing” in light of his appearances across the traveling festival’s Miami, L.A. and Bay Area staples. But the moment feels kismet since JHN is one of the few surviving New York performers who were able to hit the stage.

Just 24 hours before the festival kicked off, fellow rising Brooklyn acts like Casanova, Sheff G, 22Gz, and Pop Smoke as well as Bronx rapper Don Q were banned at the request of the NYPD because of their alleged affiliations to recent “acts of violence” citywide. While fellow NYC natives like A$AP Rocky, Desiigner, Jim Jones and Fat Joe took the stage, JHN was one of the few acts to represent New York’s new sound.

“Those artists come from the places I come from,” he said of the ban. “In instances like this, you have to separate the art from the incident. Clearly these artists come from different pasts—they talk about it in their music. But the point of the music is to transition out of that.” Many of the artists like Cassanova and Don Q spoke out against the NYPD’s influence in the festival.

"I’m at war with my past and the scars that they still leave on me every day," Casanova said on Instagram. "I will continue to fight against biases and advocate for those facing this same issue."

“You have to give them the opportunity to tell their stories or you further entrap them,” JHN adds about the group of rappers. “They end up stuck in the same positions they’re trying to escape by making a concrete wall around their history.”

JHN’s history is a mix of the power of attraction and community. His early years comprised of creating the building blocks of his label GØDD COMPLEXx and his fashion line Christian Sex Club. While making his dreams a reality, the grind led him to genuine friendships with future superstars like Jidenna, Skrillex and Ski Mask The Slump God. Last year, JHN released his debut album Collection One paired with head-bashing shows across the country.

Ghetto Lenny’s Love Songs takes his sound to the next level with melodic punches on tracks like “I Can Fvcking Tell” and the Lenny Kravitz-assisted “Borders.” With punk and rap flowing effortlessly from JHN, the artist can only attest his glowing confidence to the game of life.

“My journey is where I'm at right? It's the monopoly board of my life, and I'm making my rounds,” he says. Being confident grows every year. So me saying "too lit to be humble" [On “5,000 Singles”] that just means I'm not gonna call it nothing else, I'm just gonna tell what it is. This is who I am, fuck with it. If you don't like it, you can turn left. You can turn around if you want, but this is happening.”

On his collaboration with Lenny Kravitz, JHN looks back with a big smile and several words. “Iconic, outrageous, Ignorant. Three o'clock in the morning of Paris,” he says. “Checkered floors. Space. Leather fixtures, Dark rooms. Lenny Kravitz. SAINt JHN. My nigga, I can tell you anything. I can tell you it smelled like cigars, whiskey, rum, and the Bahamas because in my mind, all that shit happened.”

But in all seriousness, the moment was an indication for JHN that his journey in music is paved with golden intentions.

“It was reinforcement,” he says. “The first time I worked with Usher, I learned that I belonged in the room. You know the first time you get invited into a room you have never been in and you almost feel like you lied your way in? The second time, you don't feel like you lied your way in.”

JHN's IGNORANt FOREVER Tour kicks off Nov. 11 in Miami with stops in Toronto, Los Angeles and New York. See the dates here.

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