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'Black Love' Season 2 Dives Deeper Into The Power And Perseverance Of Black Love

"Just know that love exists for us."

If you ask filmmaker Tommy Oliver, he'll tell you he accosted Viola Davis and husband Julius Tennon in a Los Angeles parking lot. His wife Codie Elaine Oliver, also a filmmaker, thinks "accosted" may be too much sauce to describe the encounter, but hey, they digress. Tommy admits their initial meeting was unorthodox, but the couples had mutual acquaintances so it wasn't completely bizarre. "I was a fan of Viola, and wanted to say hello. Julius is very nice and he gave me his information and he said you can reach out at any point. I didn't reach out for a long time, mostly because I don't believe in wasting people's time and want to be respectful."

For about a year, Tommy and Codi went back and forth about what their documentary project Black Love would be, and after deciding upon a concept, Viola and Julius became couples high on their list of interviews. Tommy sent a text, Julius responded immediately and the two agreed to be featured for the candid sit down. Then in August 2017 after interviewing more than a dozen couples, their four-part series premiered on OWN and became an instant hit. Black Love presented answers to stubborn questions that have rivered their way through generations of the black community. From newlyweds to couples that have been together for decades, everyone featured spoke candidly about the power and perseverance of black love.

Tommy and Codi's continued desire to show love's prevalence for black married couples is back and on full display for Season Two. Premiering Saturday (May 9) on OWN, the married directors who are "always shooting" interviewed 25 couples--some celebrity, some your next door neighbor--from across the nation to get a fresh perspectives on more than just marriage, but maintaining a connection even through the roughest of patches.

"Every once and a while we'll say, 'You know what, I would really love to talk to someone who's been through this,' " Codi said during a phone interview of their process. For the second go-round, Tommy and Codi chatted with Vibe about Season Two, the new couples cast, the stories told and the lessons learned that they've brought into their relationship.

VIBE: What can black people take from Season Two of 'Black Love'?

CEO: There are so many things. I would say first and foremost just know that love exists for us, love and life-long partnership. A lot of this came from this media narrative that there's this black marriage crisis and that black women are undesirable and all these negative things that were said about us and our ability to have life-long love. If nothing else, I want someone to watch this and go "Oh, there are happy black couples out there." There are happy black people out there in loving relationships, I can be one of those. To me, that's the first thing.

TO: I think oftentimes on film and TV black families and black couples are rendered poorly. It's a two-dimensional representation of what actually happened. For us we want to show nah, there are real couples. Beyond those poor renderings, beyond things like The Cosby Show, there are actual couples out there that make it work. We are your neighbor, your grocer, your banker, your cousin's grandparents. People are out there and they've made it for decades and to be able to see that and to understand how they got there. We see relationship goals. We don't see the compromise. We don't see the commitment, we don't see the struggle, we don't see all the things that it really takes. Normalizing part of that struggle while showcasing that there are black married couples that make it work.

What did you both learn from the lesser known couples this go round?

TO: I just want to preface it by saying we don't treat any couple any differently. It doesn't matter if you're super famous and you've got an Oscar, or you're just a couple who makes it work and you're not famous. It doesn't matter at all. That's one of the reasons why you don't see professions or last names or any of that because it's really about your relationship. It's not about your status or your career.

CEO: I think it's important to tell the "how did you meet story" because a lot of us feel like it has to happen a certain way, especially women, maybe men too, but we have a couple who the husband was in the Navy when they met and the wife was a makeup artist. They met and went on their first date, it was magic, and the next day he was deployed for eight months. Basically for a year and a half every time he would come back from deployment, even though they were emailing and talking and they had all these amazing dates, every time he came back she was in a relationship. They maintained a friendship because he just felt like she's super genuine and I do really like her, so we'll just be genuine, honest friends. Every time they would go on a date and then he would get deployed and then she would be like 'Oh, I'm seeing somebody.' Ultimately, I'll let you watch to find out how they got together, but I loved that story because it was an example of things don't happen the way that you think they should sometimes, and to just be open.

TO: One thing that stood out to me was the idea that your relationship is your relationship. There was this one couple where the guy says, and people are going to watch this and they're going to be like 'stupid number one, stupid number two' because they're talking about the stuff they went through and how they managed to still be together after infidelity on both sides after all sorts of stuff, but for them, it's their relationship. It's not about what anybody else thinks of it.

Did you bring any of the lessons learned into your own relationship?

TO: [Laughing]

CEO: Why are you laughing?

TO: I'm laughing because It's a great question with a loaded answer, partially because we're the benefactors of so many couples. Them being honest, their dozens of years of having been in it, but there's a difference between hearing something and actually applying it to the point of it being muscle memory. There are these things that we're heard, all these great things that we've heard, and it's us figuring out which ones work for us, first and foremost and the work to actually implement that. It's not just knowing it, but it's understanding it and applying it in real life. Otherwise, it becomes what we try to avoid but also it shows platitudes. It's this really cool thing that sounds great, but if we're not living it then it's just talking. I try my best to not just talk. I try hard to implement stuff, and that doesn't mean I've succeeded and there's a lot of stuff I can do better at. That's why I laughed because I can say all these things but how well am I actually doing those right now? Probably not as well as I should be.

What's your sign?

TO: Pisces

CEO: I'm a Scorpio. There are so many lessons and I agree with Tommy wholeheartedly. There's one thing we hear and we go "Oh, I like that." You're just not going to be perfect, especially not right away. One of the things that seem like a small thing, but I know is important to him and that was something that Dewanda Wise said which was marriage is like self-love for two. If I get a cup of coffee, I'll make you a cup of coffee. For me, that's not something that I organically do. I'm like if you want something, you see me go in the kitchen, tell me what it is you want. But for Tommy, it's like I just need to know that you're thinking of me. It's something that is work on my part to remember that and try to just do that. It seems small, but I know how significant it is for him

Was there at any point in filming Season 2 where you heard a story from a couple and your reaction was like 'Nope, I'm done. If that were me I would've been gone?'

TO: Before I answer that question, you know you hear about an overnight success, which is usually a 10-year story but all you see is the overnight success. The relationship goal, that hashtag is the same idea. All you see is the nice, all you see is just a snapshot and you don't really see what it takes to get there or what it took to get to that place. From watching, what we try to do with our show is to show that process and the stuff in between.

CEO: You would totally be out if I cheated on you. We know this. We know this, these are facts. It's not a deal breaker for me, but it's a deal breaker for him. However, because it's a deal breaker for him and I've known that our entire relationship, it's kind of become one for me because that would mean so much if he cheated. If any of these interviews were I would be out? Probably not, but I have this fascination with all the things that can happen in a marriage and we know people get through them, somebody's getting through them. That's part of what drives me in this whole process. I just want to hear about everything and how you got through it.

What's the one attribute about your partner that you really wish you had?

TO: She's a lot nicer than I am.

CEO: Do you wish you were nicer? He said that I'm nicer than he is, which is a fact, but I don't think you wish to be nicer.

TO: That's kind of true.

CEO: I'll go first, how about that? Tommy is able to juggle a lot of things and do it well. I am not. I'm kind of tapped out at a certain number of things. It's just like 'Nope I can't do that next thing.' I do certainly wish I could juggle more.

TO: One of the things you do better than me is, she'll talk to her friends that are far away for hours on text message every single day.

CEO: Not every single day. I've got stuff to do.

TO: But you do. You maintain the friendships and the emotional connections with them very well. That takes time and effort. I'm a guy and we have different relationships but there are friends I don't talk to as much and I probably do a better job at that. I think that's something that she does very well.

CEO: That's sweet. Thanks.

TO: I love you.

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J Dilla and Common had a really tight creative bond and, at one point, lived together in L.A. So you know that Common got dibs on all of his hot beats first. They were hip-hop brethren just trying to work together and of all of their collaborations, living and posthumous, the track “Thelonius,” is the sharpest intersection of the two legendary artists' careers.

A singular song fit for two albums, the cut was placed on Common’s fourth studio album Like Water for Chocolate and Fantastic Vol. II, Slum Village's classic sophomore album. “Thelonius” as we know it was in a way an accident...a soulful snafu that we get to enjoy forever. In this excerpt of VIBE's Then & Now video franchise, Common shares how the song manifested unplanned, willed into existence by Dilla’s uncompromising creative compass.

The story is brought to life with artwork by visual artist supreme, Dan Lish (@DanLish1), the man behind Raekwon’s The Wild album artwork. The illustrations you see in this video are a small fraction of what you can find in his upcoming book: Egostrip Vol 1 – The Essential Hip Hop Art Book, a psychedelic visual history of hip-hop to be enjoyed by the genre’s oldest and youngest fans alike. 

Today is the last day to support Lish's Kickstarter for the incredible project. Click the following link for a copy of your own: 

“I picked up on what inspired me about the artists, whether it be a certain lyric from a classic song or my perception of what may be going through their mind at the moment of creation,” says Lish.

There is much more to be said about all of these artists. For more stories on Common’s catalog, including several more Dilla cuts, stay tuned for the upcoming episode of Then & Now, where we dig deeper into notable tracks in the career of one Lonnie Rashid "Common" Lynn, Jr.

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Quavo Is Introducing 'Fan Controlled Football' To The Culture

From their penchant for popping tags and name-dropping designer brands in their rhymes to the obsession with diamond-encrusted neckwear, the Migos are the modern-day poster-children for decadence and opulence. But when it comes to balling, group member Quavo is a seasoned veteran, literally and figuratively. Notorious for his appearances in NBA all-star celebrity games, where he routinely dominates the competition, Huncho has built a rep as one of the athletically gifted hit-makers in music today.

Although he's known for his skills on the hardwood, football is definitely among his passions. His newest endeavor, an ownership stake in Fan Controlled Football (FCF), the first professional sports league to put the viewer in the coach's seat and the general manager's office, in live time, finds him putting his focus back on the gridiron. Having inked an exclusive, multi-year streaming broadcast partnership with Twitch, the FCF will be the first professional sports league to be fully integrated with the streaming platform with the potential to explode in the digital age, where user interest and participation is the main recipe for success.

Having tossed the pigskin around as a Georgia high school football star, to Quavo, it was a no-brainer to get involved with the innovative league on the ground level. “We are building a brand and something different in our league – with the fans. They are in control and get to pick the team names, colors, logos, and more,” said Quavo said in a press release. “I’m really excited because FCF is fast-paced, high-scoring 7v7 football and you are in control. You go from sitting on the couch watching TV and pressing buttons on the remote to actually pressing the buttons on the plays.”

Played on "a 35-yard x 50-yard field with 10-yard end zones,” the Fan Controlled Football league will kick off in February 2021, with a four-week regular season, one week of playoffs, and a Championship week. The league will consist of former elite D-1 athletes, the CFL, XFL, and the Indoor Football League. Broadcasted live from the FCF’s state-of-the-art facility in Atlanta, each game will be 60 minutes in length and will allow the viewers to play a hand in the final outcome on Twitch.

Aside from sports, Quavo has been relatively lowkey on the musical tip as of late, with two years having passed since a solo release or a Migos album. However, according to him, this delay can be considered the calm before the storm, as he assures him and his brethren are primed for one of their biggest years yet. VIBE hopped on the line with Quavo to talk Fan Controlled Football, what he's got cooking in the studio, and his foray into TV and film.


You're the newest team owner at Fan Controlled Football (FCF). What about the league piqued your interest and made you wanna get involved?

It's just showing my interest in the game of football and just trying to put a twist to where it's fan-controlled, fan-involved. A lot of times we watch the game, you watch the game, you just have some concerns. Sometimes you feel you can make the plays or call the play, [with FCF], you can sit on the couch and make the play. I just think we came together to make something crazy like that. I feel like it's something hard, it's something new, it's something fresh. It's a new beginning to something, like giving ni**as a chance. Giving D-1 players who couldn't make it to the league a chance, giving ex-NFL ni**as a chance if they still got it, [and] to go with the fans. When we saw the Falcons lose the Superbowl LI, we [fans] just knew what plays to call, we knew to run the ball. We were up 28-3. All we had to do was hold the ball, but we wanted to air it out and we made a mistake and lost to Tom Brady. Just like when Marshawn could've won a Superbowl. If they'd have given him the ball on the two-yard line. We knew that Marshawn Lynch was supposed to get the ball, [but] they wanted Russell Wilson to win it and the New England Patriots caught an interception. So that's how we're trying to shape it, we're trying to make something new.

The FCF will be live-streamed exclusively on Twitch, which has become one of the leading platforms for eSports live-streaming and will kick off in February 2021. Do you feel the FCF has the opportunity to fill that NFL void during the spring, particularly given the fan engagement that FCF enables?

Most definitely, cause after the Super Bowl, it just feels like you just want another game. You feel like you want one more game. and coming from something [where it's] eleven on eleven players to seven on seven, I feel [there’s] still a difference. After coming from watching the game and the regular politics, the regular structure of the game, now you're getting to be involved in a game that you can control. You can pick the jersey, you can pick the helmets, you can pick the jerseys, you can pick the coaches, you can pick the plays. I just feel there are two different dynamics [between the NFL and FCF). You come from sitting on the couch and pressing the remote to actually pressing the button on the plays."

Speaking of fan engagement, the FCF is the only professional sports league that enables fans to call the plays in real-time and puts the viewer in control of a game’s outcome like never before. Have you ever had that experience, as far as fantasy football?

Nah, but I'm into Madden. You can sit at home and pick your plays [with FCF], it's just like the lifestyle of Madden. It's like a reality of Madden. You're playing with people at home, with these unique athletes, and it's seven-on-seven.

As an Atlanta native, how significant was the FCF’s state-of-the-art facility being in your hometown in your decision to come on board as an owner?

It's very important. We got top-tier talent here, so it's opening up opportunities for a lot of guys. We're just glad it's in the south, it's like a hub. Everybody loves Atlanta and everybody wanna be here. Everybody wanna play and the weather is good.

NFL Super Bowl Champions Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch, boxing legend Mike Tyson, and YouTuber and podcaster empire Greg Miller are among the FCF's team owners. How does it feel to be competing against some of the most accomplished athletes and entertainers in the world? Have you had the opportunity to meet with any of them?

Most definitely. I have a good relationship with Mike Tyson. I've met Marshawn Lynch, it's a blessing. I feel like we're not competing right now, I feel like we're building a brand. I feel like we're building a league. I feel like we're trying to make the world understand what we're bringing to the table and what type of game we bring to the table, you feel me? I feel we're trying to create something different. Once we get the ball rolling, it's all together and moving into a real FCF league, then we'll get to compete. Of course, we all wanna win, but right now, we're just trying to get the foundation and the basics going and letting the strength of the owners and the relationships show on the field.

Being that you'll all be working with your respective fan bases in shaping your team’s personality and identity, any thoughts about what the team’s name will be? 

Man, I wish I did, but it's so straight strictly fans that you never know. Just like with music, can have an idea that is a smash, and then the fans don't think it is. You gotta strictly listen to the fans on this one. You gotta listen strictly to how they want it because it's the point of the game, that's the point of the league. We gotta let them control this game and then we the players and we the people that's listening to the people, the culture. FCF stands for culture, too, you feel what I'm saying? We listen to the culture, we're letting the culture run the field.

How involved will you be in the drafting and scouting process for your squad?

The fans make the draft, fans get to see everything. Open books, everything. It's an open thing, it ain't nothing to hide over here. The fans control it all.

In addition to sports, you've also been delving into acting, with cameos in shows like Atlanta, Star, Black-ish, and Ballers. Earlier this year, you appeared as yourself in Narcos: Mexico. How did that opportunity come about? 

Narcos reached out. We [Migos] had this song called “Narcos” on the [Culture II] album and we went and shot [the video] in Miami and everybody thought it was a Narcos movie scene and it ended up being Madonna's house. So we just shot that there and then they reached out to us. I think Offset had a performance somewhere and Takeoff had to do something and I just ended up being free that day and I went and shot it in New Mexico. I had fun, I loved it.

Do you have plans to pursue any supporting or leading roles in film or television?

Hell yeah, most definitely. I've been sitting down and having real great meetings with directors and people that got some movies in the works for 2021. I feel like I’ve got some good spots. I don't wanna tell it cause they’re gonna make some announcements. It's coming soon.

It's been two years since you've released a solo project or one with the Migos. Can fans expect any new music from you anytime soon and what are your next plans on that front?

Most definitely, hell yeah, we're shooting videos right now. We’re vaulting up a whole lot of videos so we can give you music and visuals at the same time. “Need It," the song came first and then the video. Right now, we wanna get a lot of videos and a lot records in the vault and smash [them] all at once 'cause it's been two years.

Pop Smoke's passing was one of the more tragic events in rap in recent memory, but his debut album, which you appeared on throughout, has been one of the most successful and acclaimed projects of 2020. How has it been seeing how the album’s been received, especially after you and him developed such a bond in a short time?

I'm happy. I'm proud of him, that was my partner. We did a lot of records, we spent a lot of time together and I feel like the album would've did even more with him being alive. A lot of people's album just go crazy when they die, I feel like his sh*t would've still went crazy. He had the momentum, he had the buzz. He was having fun. He was hot, he was fresh, he had everything ready.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

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Toots Hibbert performing at Hammersmith Palais, London in 1983.
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Remembering Toots Hibbert

The best singers don’t need too many words to make their point. Otis Redding could let loose with a sad sad song like “Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa” and get you all in your feelings. Bob Marley got pulses pounding with his “Whoi-yoooo” rebel yell. Gregory Isaacs melted hearts with nothing more than a gentle sigh. Toots Hibbert, who died last Friday at the age of 77, could sing just about anything and make it sound good. One of the world's greatest vocalists in any genre, Toots paired his powerful voice with the understated harmonies of Raleigh Gordon and Jerry Mathias to form The Maytals, a vocal trinity that never followed fashion and remained relevant throughout the evolution of Jamaican music—from the ska era to rock steady straight through to reggae, a genre named after The Maytals' 1968 classic “Do The Reggay.”

Whether they were singing a sufferer’s selection (“Time Tough”), a churchical chant (“Hallelujah”), or the tender tale of a country wedding (“Sweet and Dandy”), The Maytals blew like a tropical storm raining sweat and tears. The lyrics to Six and Seven Books,” one of The Maytals' earliest hits, are pretty much just Toots listing the books of the Bible. “You have Genesis and Exodus,” he declares over a Studio One ska beat, “Leviticus and Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua, Judges and Ruth...” Having grown up singing in his parents' Seventh Day Adventist Church in the rural Jamaican town of May Pen, Toots knew the Good Book well.

The Maytals broke out worldwide in 1966 thanks to the song “Bam Bam,” which won Jamaica's first-ever Independence Festival Song Competition, held during the first week of August as the island nation celebrated both independence from Great Britain in 1862 and emancipation in 1834. They would go on to win the coveted title two more times, but “Bam Bam” was a singular song with a message every bit as powerful as Toots' voice. “I want you to know that I am the man," Toots sang. He was young and strong, ready to "fight for the right, not for the wrong." The trajectory of "Bam Bam" would not only transform Toots' life but make waves throughout popular music worldwide.

"Festival in Jamaica is very important to all Jamaicans," the veteran singer stated in a video interview this past summer while promoting his latest entry into the annual competition. "I must tell you that I won three festivals in Jamaica already, which is “Bam Bam,” “Sweet & Dandy” and “Pomp & Pride.” Toots described that first festival competition as a joyous occasion. "Everybody just want to hear a good song that their children can sing," he recalled. "Is like every artist could be a star."

In 2016, on the 50th anniversary of "Bam Bam" winning first place, Toots looked back over the legacy of the tune that made him a star. "I didn’t know what it means but it was a big deal," he told Boomshots. "You in the music business and you want to be on top and you write a good song and you go on this competition and if they like it then it becomes #1." After The Maytals won, the group was in demand not just all over the island, but all over the world. "We start fly out like a bird," he says with a laugh. "Fly over to London."

"Bam Bam" went on to inspire numerous cover versions, starting with Sister Nancy, Yellowman, and Pliers. It would also be sampled in numerous hip hop classics, and interpolated into Lauryn Hill's "Lost Ones." But according to Toots, he did not benefit financially from these endless cover versions. "People keep on singing it over and over and over, and they don’t even pay me a compliment," he told Boomshots. "I haven’t been collecting no money from that song all now."


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When Toots began singing in his parents' church, music was not seen as a career prospect, and the profits were slim for Jamaican recording artists in the 1960s. "Those days we get 14 cents for the record to play on the radio," Toots said. "I get three shillings and five shillings for a number one record, which I had 31 number one record in Jamaica... It’s not about money for me. It’s about the quality that Jamaicans need to go back in the festival jamboree... You gotta talk to the children."

On the poignant “54-46 (Was My Number),” Toots recalls the dehumanization of his arrest and 18-month imprisonment at Jamaica's Richmond Farm Correctional Center for what he always insisted was a trumped-up ganja charge just as his music career was taking off. The song's crescendo comes two minutes in when Toots breaks into a scat solo that cannot be translated into any language known to man, delivered with palpable passion that made his message universal. During Toots' ecstatic stage performances he would follow this riff by commanding his band to “Give it to me... one time!” Then the 'd make 'em say Uh!  (Way before Master P!) “Give it to me... two times!” Uh! Uh! And so on and so forth until Toots worked the place into a frenzy.

The Maytals' live show was so explosive that Toots began touring all over the world, opening for rock megastars like The Rolling Stones and The Who. While Bob Marley richly deserved the title King of Reggae, his friend Toots was performing internationally before The Wailers, and remained a force to be reckoned with throughout his life, blazing a trail for generations of reggae artists to follow in his footsteps.

On his Grammy-winning 2004 album True Love, Toots recorded some of his greatest hits with a host of legendary artists, many of whom were also good friends, including Willie Nelson, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Bonnie Raitt, Sheryl Crow, and Eric Clapton. His 2006 cover of Radiohead's "Let Down" was a favorite of the band's, who used to play it on their tour bus. Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood called Toots’ version “truly astounding,” according to Easy Star Records Michael Goldwasser.

Toots supported himself and his family by touring all over the world. During a 2013 show in Richmond, Virginia he was singing John Denver's "Take Me Home Country Roads" when a teenager in the crowd threw a vodka bottle at the stage and hit him on the head. He suffered a concussion and had to stop touring for several years. As his first album in a decade, Got To Be Tough was highly anticipated when it was released on Trojan Jamaica label August 28. On the cover the former boxer and lifelong fighter can be seen throwing a punch. Just a day after the album dropped, Toots came down with symptoms similar to COVID 19. Within a few days he was hospitalized where doctors placed him into a medically induced coma from which he never recovered. As his Tidal obituary pointed out, he passed away exactly 33 years after his old friend Peter Tosh died by gunfire.

Songs like "Just Brutal" from the hit different now, with Toots pleading for more love in a world gone wrong. "We were brought here," Toots sings. "Sold out. Victimized brutally. Every time I keep remembering what my grandfather said before he died."

“I’m feeling alright,” Toots said the last time we spoke, while he was still sidelined with stress issues due to the bottle-throwing incident. "I’m feeling alright. I’m feeling alright. I’m feeling just cool because is Jah works. You seet?" I asked him if the song "Bam Bam," was about him—a peaceful man who should not be provoked—or else. "Nooo don't trouble him," Toots said with a laugh. "It’s gonna be double trouble, triple trouble. A lot of trouble."

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